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Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 0:00
With my brand people will ask me Oh, who is this targeted for? Is this targeted for older women who already have the problem? And I say no, these products are for to start young. You know, you don’t want to wait until you already have the problem.
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 0:20
This is Dr. Meenal, and welcome to Uncover Your Eyes, where we uncover reality. As a mom and eye doctor, I want to know it all. Your skin around the eyes is the most delicate skin around your entire body. So the products we should be reusing around our eyes should be friendly and safe, such as our mascaras, our eyeshadows, our eyeliners our lash serums we invest in so many other things for our appearance and our makeup, but we don’t invest in eye friendly products. So today I have with us the founder of an eye friendly line called twenty/twenty. Dr. Hilal-Campo is an ophthalmologist. And after treating patients struggling with dry eyes and other painful conditions caused by makeup and beauty treatments, she developed her own brand of eye friendly formulas called 2020. Welcome Dr. Hilal-Campo, thank you so much for being on. I truly, truly appreciate it and your time today.
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 1:32
My pleasure. It’s it’s an honor to be here with you. Thank
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 1:36
you. So tell me how did twenty/twenty beauty arise? How did you think of the idea?
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 1:43
Well, I’m I’m a board certified ophthalmologist, I started my practice right out of residency. And after 20, over 20 years of seeing patients and seeing their complications from their eye makeup and their beauty habits. I knew that there needed to be something done in the industry. Again, we ophthalmologists would talk about this at our conferences, how there was a huge increase in patients who had dry eye 80% of them women over the past 10 years. It’s grown, it’s tripled. And again, we we postulated that it was caused by the ingredients and eye makeup. Especially since there was such a high preponderance in women meibomian gland disease became obvious as a big problem leading to dry eye. And again, the meibomian glands can be affected by products that we use around our eyes and in our eyes. So I wanted to make a line I wanted to make on makeup that had healthier ingredients that had a focus on hygiene because that would that’s another big issue that we saw is we saw that a lot. A lot of people have wood, we’re getting eye infections and infections, Demodex infestations and blepharitis all of this is caused by poor hygiene, using the beauty products and not cleansing the eyelashes well. And so I wanted to focus on hygiene to help keep patients, you know, out of my office, basically, you know, because I’ll go over some of the diseases that you know, when you have poor hygiene, again, Demodex blepharitis, you can it can lead to corneal ulcers, upset you know, staff ulcers, it can lead to again, pinkeye a whole a sky is also styes. So it became very important to me that I my products had a focus on on good hygiene, I wanted to do better product design, I wanted products that performed well and helped enhance the beauty of when of women’s eyes. But that had a smarter, more intelligent product design. So for example, powdered shadows, there’s Fallout every time you apply and you get rolled out into the tear film. And when you get the fallout into the tear film The chemicals leach into the into the tears onto your ocular surface. Number one you can have irritation from it but number two more seriously, it with time it can cause scarring it when you pull down a patient’s lower lid. This is called the inferior Fornix or flip the upper one the superior Fornix you can see higman scoring from I makeup. So I wanted smarter product design as well. That’s basically what my thought process was. And I was lucky enough. You know, I tried to do this on my own. I live in New Jersey and we have labs here. And I approached the labs. I went to a patent attorney I tried to do it on my own, but basically the labs don’t want to talk to you if you don’t have a history During in beauty or and you’re not a big, like Revlon, you know, they they will not they did not want to talk to a single doctor, you know, solo practitioner. So I really got nowhere. And then fortuitously, I had a patient who had been in beauty for about 20 years, who had gone to a few different doctors been meant misdiagnosed, and I diagnosed her correctly. And I had to see her every few times a week, by the end of about eight weeks when she was sorted out, and she was doing well. She felt comfort. She said, she told me that she worked in beauty for over 20 years. So and then I start I said to her, Oh, wow, you know, I have, I would really love to make a line that focused on healthier ingredients, and better hygiene and better design. And she said to me, because I’ve seen so many complications, right from so many complications over the years. And she said to me, Wow, that’s brilliant. She said, all of my friends in beauty, have problems with their eyes and cannot tolerate the eye makeup for variable. She said, and my mother has horrible dry eyes. She said, there’s nothing like it on the market. Give me your cell number, and I’ll help you to make your dream come true. You know, this was a passion project. So she introduced me to a team of women who basically are my team, you know, so and without this team behind me, I could not have done it. So I’m I again, this is truly a passion project. I’m self funded. I, you know, this team, they’re experts in every little, every little thing. So I have somebody who’s an MBA, she’s my brand had, I have someone who is a formulator. I have someone who is a regulator. I have someone who’s a social media expert, you know, I don’t know anything about social media. In fact, I didn’t even have any social media. I had no social media before this. Yes, you know, I’m a doctor. So suddenly, I had a social media expert. And now I have Instagram and Facebook. I also brought in, so I also needed someone to do photography and videos and Tik Tok videos, and photography. And I had a patient who was a young woman who I had treated, she had done makeup videos as a as a kid, or of her whole family did her grandma’s cataract surgery, and now and she, you know, I took care of her when she was a teenager. Then she went to college. And I said to her mom, what is she doing now? And she said, Oh, she’s doing videography for a company, but I think she’s not that happy. And I said, Oh, do you think she would be interested in working with my company? And she said, I think she would love it. So I, she’s now part of my team. Bring in, you bring in resources. It takes a village, but it takes a village. I couldn’t do it by myself. I knew I knew I was a chemistry major. So I knew what ingredients I didn’t want in I knew the complicated
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 8:11
mind touching on those ingredients that you did not want in what were the big no, no ingredient.
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 8:16
Thing is preservatives. Okay? So the preservatives are very bad for the ocular surface. Again, it’s one thing when you talk about people talk about clean beauty, but claiming it is really not a standardization. Okay, it’s kind of a basket term. So when I’m looking for my ingredients, our ingredients my benchmark is is safe for the ocular surface, it does not damage the ocular surface. So that’s a big benchmark that other brands do not need. So that that benchmark as well as my ingredients are all vegan, cruelty free. My ingredients are all I do not use anything that is a hormone disruptor I don’t use anything that’s possibly carcinogenic I don’t use anything that can be harmful to any of the i structures at all. I’m formulated you know, in the US the FDA only regulates very few ingredients like 13 are banned. Yeah. Whereas in the EU about 1300 are banned. I’m formulated to EU standards as well as a blacklist, that of anything that can affect the ocular surface and again, some of the ingredients okay, that I don’t like number one, I don’t like anything that are harsh preservatives, if I can avoid a preservative I do for example, my my hygiene spray and again as I was telling you hygiene is very important. When it comes to the eyes and one of the you know the first products that I had is something called hypochlorous Acid Spray, my daily spread. It’s made of a natural ingredient that’s Made by your neutrophils your body to fight invaders. So the substance kills 99.9% of bacteria within one minute. Okay. In fact, it was approved by the EPA in March of 2020 to kill Coronavirus on surfaces. It doesn’t need a preservative. It is its own preservative. Yeah. So it doesn’t need a preservative, and it’s safe for your ocular surface. So, as a mainstay of every person’s beauty routine, they should have this spray as part of it, you know, if you spray it, okay, either with your eyes closed or your eyes can be open. Okay, and let it air dry twice a day. You can also put it on a cotton round, or microfiber cloth, right? Scrub your eyelash basses with it. Okay, and turn around and do the other one, scrub your eyelashes with it. This is the best way of keeping bacteria away from your eyes, you would also I recommend, you know, people are not cleaning their beauty applicators well enough, or Okay, or often enough. So this is a sanitizer you can you can clean the the applicators with baby shampoo and water. And then you spray this on. And it’s a sanitizer. Okay, and this will help keep bacteria demo decks demo decks or mites. I see we see these in our doctor’s offices every single day. And every single day we see the complications, women who have those lash extensions, they don’t clean their their lash extensions or the lace, they’re out of their lashes at all, most, a lot of them don’t. And a lot of them at the base of the lashes they have horrible infestations of mites and blepharitis and using this daily hygiene spray will not make the lash extensions fall off. And it will keep that the base of the lashes are of all the those bacteria and mites. You know I for those patients, I would tell them to also put it on a Q tip and clean the last few days and the
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 12:16
lashes. It was funny. I had a patient yesterday who said to me so it’s interesting what you said. She said to me. I don’t wash my face at night because my makeup just evaporates. And I’m like what? How does your makeup evaporate? Right? So a lot of women are not cleaning their makeup at night and removing it appropriately. Before even doing this spray. They’re not even removing the makeup. And that’s blocking all the glands and everything. So I can’t stress that enough that that you said that? Yeah,
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 12:45
it’s true. Women’s hygiene, you know, it hasn’t, it’s not stressed enough. You know, what another reason why I started this is I wanted to use it as a platform to educate the Kol is the key opinion leaders who are the beauty editors, okay, to educate them. And they are shocked, shocked when I talk to them about these things, they have no idea. So this is was very important to us this platform, and I thank you for interviewing me to get the word out. And it’s to get the word out to the general public to get the word out to beauty editors to get the word out to other even other doctors. I mean, you know, basically it’s easy to discuss this with other women eye doctors, but it’s it’s a little bit more difficult when you try to explain it to male eye doctors. And I know because they don’t, you know, a lot of them are not wearing makeup. But once you start talking to them about it, and then they go back and they look at their patients. I’ve had them call me and saying thanks to you. This young girl is on a better route. You know, again, tick tock social media has has also made things much more dangerous. It’s it’s upped the ante. Right? Okay. So that was the other you know, these are the things that have come about over my lifetime, that have made things so much worse, you know, so much worse. The popularization of dangerous beauty practices, you know, even you know, lining the waterline, okay, which is called tight lining that is extremely popular when I would tell beauty editors, this is very bad. It blocks the glands that makes the oil. It can kill those glands. You’re only born with a certain number of those glands, the meibomian glands, and once you kill them, they’re gone. You know, they’re dead. And again, 80% of dry eye is because of my bony and gland disease. It’s usually a combination of my bone and aqueous dysfunction, but you need those glands and all these All of these products are damaging and the way that you use them damages the glands. I mean, not even to talk about some of the using the lash extensions, the glues are dangerous, the glues, damage, number one, they damage to the lashes when patients try to stop doing the lash extensions, I see stubbles stubbles in the slit lamp, which is a microscope, you know, stubbles for lashes, and then those, you know, that’s not good, because our lashes are there to protect our eyes to keep dust to keep bacteria away from our eyes. And
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 15:36
the problem is, it’s happening with younger and younger patients right younger and younger patients are getting into these false eyelashes extensions now, but also the Tick Tock trends of the not so great, or the dangerous beauty products you were talking about is really high up there. So I worry about these atrophied meibomian glands for you know, the younger population because by the time they’re 40, or 50. And you know, sometimes we’ll show patients or my biography and we’ll show them that, you know, you have 60% atrophied glands, and they’ll say, oh, but that’s okay, because you can help me and it’s what’s atrophied has atrophied. We, you know, we can only preserve what we have and take care of what we have left. And that’s the scary part is until you’re doing those kinds of showing your patients my biography and showing them these glands that are atrophied. A lot of patients don’t don’t understand. Exactly.
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 16:24
And I’ve seen it with young women. It’s scary. And a lot of these youngsters are starting 10 years old, you know,
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 16:34
oh, my gosh, this is for a trend.
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 16:36
Yeah. And they don’t. And that’s why, you know, with my brand people will ask me, oh, who is this targeted for? Is this targeted for older women who already have the problem? And I say no, these products are for to start young. You know, you don’t want to wait until you already have the problem. You know, you want to you want to try to use the product so you don’t get the problem. You know, another thing that people don’t realize is retinoids damage meibomian glands and that means topical retinoids as well as oral Accutane. But the oral Accutane, we all know does but a lot of women are using retinoids and younger younger women kids retinoids around their eyes or even on their face. The problem is is when it’s on your face and you sleep on the pillow, it migrates and it gets around your eyes. So and retina weights, we know damage to the glands. Damaged meibomian gland and the and
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 17:39
the skin around the eye is the most delicate and the thinnest right so I think that’s key as well when we’re using retinoids around the eyes. Right you
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 17:47
should definitely not use them around the eyes but again using them on the face. It might you know if you’re using it before bed and it gets on your pillowcase, it’s also getting around your eyes most likely. I also try to stay away you know getting back to ingredients I also try to stay away because the the the fiber skin fibroblasts can turn correct noids into retinoids. Okay, so retinoids are also via their plant based vitamin A precursors, they can turn the skin can turn it into retinoids so I stay away from any kind of ingredients that are high in vitamin A, like Hohoe aloe vera, you know things that you might find in other skincare or eye brands, you know, I stay away from, you know, so I use oils that are low in vitamin A, rather than some of the plant based or I do like natural oils but there are that you have to be careful. Like I’m very careful with the ingredients that I use. And you need to use ones that are not high in vitamin A, or Khorat noids or the plant version of vitamin A on the skin. You have to I’m very careful with allergens. One of the biggest problems with mascara and that is the biggest complaint that women have at the end of the day they cannot tolerate their mascara, and that’s because of all the allergens that are in most mascaras. For example most of them have wax that is either carnauba wax or beeswax. Now you know anyone with apology and pollen allergy if you put beeswax, which is what most a lot of mascaras are based are beeswax you’re going to be have irritated eyes by the end of the day. So I stripped those and carnauba wax is another huge one. It’s also plant based but it’s it can be highly allergenic and when you use that in a mascara, patients are very irritated. So My mascara. You know, I’ve had so many letters from patients emails saying how happy they are that they’re able to tolerate, they have not been able to tolerate mascara. You know, one woman said she had tears of joy because it was for her son’s wedding. And this was the first time that you’ve been able to wear tolerate a mascara. I mean, that’s very touching when you get. Yeah, yeah, it’s rewarding when you get these notes. But again, allergy is associated with dry because it causes inflammation. So you want I tried to strip by products of as many allergens as possible. You know, so
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 20:41
tell me like the newest trend is now lash serums. Right. And we all know that a lot of the lash serums are, you know, prostaglandin based? And, you know, there’s a lot of side effects of the prostaglandins like your sunken orbits or hyperpigmentation. So tell me about last year, um, should people be using lash terms and what type of lash serums should they be using?
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 21:02
Okay, you have to be very careful. Okay, what you’re using Okay, so, I’m not young. I’ve been in practice over 25 years. I was there at the start of the glaucoma medicines. xalatan. Wow. Yeah, is the very first class of drugs. What is the very first drug that was made in that class? Right, okay, if they’re called, they’re called analogues of P G, F two alpha. Okay. Now, PG F two alpha analogs there. That’s the class that causes and that receptor, the PGF two alpha receptor is the class that that causes all of these side effects. Okay, there have been studies done. So it started as a glaucoma medicine very, very effective, you know, 30 years ago. And then we all saw the eye doctors all saw the side effects, right? tation of the skin around the eyes. Yes, it grew eyelashes, huge eyelashes. Patients also got red eyes, patient. Patients also had some of them changes in their eye color. Patients would also have sunken eyes with time sunk in her eyes. And um, you know, the lid crease was raised because it causes fat atrophy. And
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 22:32
so you’re a little older when you have that happen. I want to stress that
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 22:35
basically. So basically, Allergan, which was a company took that and they made it into a lash serum. The first one Latisse, that had to be because this class of drugs was in a glaucoma medicine, but mad across it had to be prescribed by an eye doctor. Okay, well, and then if your eye doctor prescribed it and you went to your eye doctor and your eye doctor started to see these things, you the eye doctor would say stop it. Okay? Well, this smart companies decided to make cousins of the FDA regulated the FDA regulated drug, they made cousins of it 10 times stronger, with the same side effects, and not under FDA control. They went into the over the counter serums. And our patients started coming in with red irritated eyes, dry eyes, it also causes damages, that the meibomian glands, dry eyes, irritated eyes discolored skin. And we would what? You know, when we didn’t, no idea what’s going on. And then the patients would come in and say, Oh, I’m using this. I’m just using these vitamins on my eyes. Oh, let me see those vitamins. And then you look and you see, and you start to Google the list of the ingredients, the ingredients. It doesn’t say, Oh, we you know, we have a PGF to Alpha analogue in here. But once you start to Google the ingredients, you find that hidden in the ingredient list is one of these prostaglandin PG f2 analogues. And there’s no disclosure to the general public about the risks, the safety issues involved. And we know from the glaucoma, Medic, you know, glaucoma usage, that these side effects are not rare, you know, right? They are not rare, especially when you’re using these things every single day. They’re common. They’re common,
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 24:40
you know, so should people be avoiding lash terms altogether?
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 24:44
I in my opinion, you have to be very careful what the last theorem is. You have to look at the ingredient list. Okay? So preserved, they all a lot of them. If they’re aqueous based, they need a preservative, a preservative is irritating and not great for the ocular surface. If you if you look at the list and you you Google it and you find anything in it, and like for example, isopropyl clo prostate is a big one, that if you google and you find that it’s an analogue of PGF to Alpha prostaglandin analogues, you should not use that you should not use it. There are some though that that just have peptides or ones that are have moisturizing like hyaluronic acid, right radiance. Those are okay, you know those don’t cause the side effects. So you have to be careful which one you use now mine and this was another reason why I started my line because I was very upset. You know that this was happening. I didn’t know initially this was happening and then I realized it after seeing patients come in time after time with these issues and then it turned out because if they’re using these right they think are vitamins and they’re not. So I just now my lash serum. I initially made this as a treatment for dry so I have men on it women on it. At night before bed I would have them with clean fingers put a little bit of cold pressed hexane free castor oil into their lids in their lashes. I did that because the ricin oleic acid number one it binds to receptors on the conjunctiva that down regulate allergy and inflammation. And then number two, it stabilized it would go through the thin eyelid skin and stabilize the outer tear film. So patients would wake up with their eyes feeling great, but in addition to that, their lashes would grow and then my patients started putting it on their brows you know and they you know I researched it and I found they’re not 100% sure of the mechanism but it seems as though it binds to receptors that increase blood flow to the base of the lashes. Okay, that’s how it works. In addition to that I added in a little castor oil, or excuse me a little bit of argan oil which is extremely hydrating because it has linoleic acid in it very hydrating for the lashes and a little bit of coconut oil which is a natural antibacterial. Again bacteria and blepharitis at the at the lash bases also reduces lash production and have has your lashes stunt their growth. So castor oil actually has been shown to be extremely effective also at treating blepharitis which is another reason for in several different ways. So so that’s one mechanism of helping the lashes grow. Another one is possibly increasing the blood flow. Also adding in these moisturizers brittle lashes break hydrated lashes don’t break because it’s a combination of oils. It does not have a preservative it doesn’t need one okay anhydrous combinations of oils do not need preservatives. So that so this is a much safer than other lash serums because most of them are aqueous based and require a preservative which damages the epithelial cells of the conjunctiva the cornea and can be very irritating. So my serum is not irritating does not consider contain a preservative and it works. So thing yeah so I also like as I said I wanted smarter product design. So basically you’re not another problem with a lot of the serums is you’re double dipping, you’re double dipping with the applicators. Right? Fine I have you with clean hands Absolutely. You know you can use soap that’s fine ba k like dialed clean your hands or spray it with my hypochlorous acid. Then you put on you pump it so if you pump it you’re not double dipping and you just apply it with your fingers to your lids in your lashes. Patients wake up or people will wake up their eyes will feel great and their lashes will grow and their brows grow as well. So it’s that’s how my serum came about. Again, it came out as a came about in that way. The only caveat I would say is that sometimes oils people can be allergic to it so I want people to patch test it before they use real you should patch test and everything that you use around your eyes again, if you have any you know an allergic response, it will be irritating and it will cause your eyes you know eyes to be it’s not good for your eyes if you have an allergic will it will start the inflammatory cycle and make a dry worse right
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 29:55
so you know I get a lot of younger you know demographic now the tea jeans and, you know, the tweens, you know, wanting to do last terms and wanting to do these makeup products, it’s you know, it’s a big fad. So a lot of them also talk a lot about their undereyes circles do you have any, you know, tips on ways to help with their undereye circles because that’s you know, whether it’s genetic or you know, lack of sleep, you know, a lot of them want to help with that pigmentation. Okay,
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 30:23
so the under eye darkening, it depends on why their under eyes are darkened if the lid skin as you said is very thin. So a lot of times it’s not a true pigmentation of the skin, but it’s basically because the vessels underneath are in gorged and are showing are showing through the thin lids that you can help with, okay, you can use, you can use things that constrict the vessels. Okay, for example, I like natural things. So if you put cold so I have a roller brush that you put in the freezer, and that’s cold. And if you do that, Okay, number one, it will help disperse. Let’s say with allergies with allergies, what happens is that you get you do get an engagement of the of the vessels, the the veins, and you do get leakage leaking of the vessel, so you will get fluid that comes out. So by using the roller, the roller brush that’s cold, it disperses the fluid and it vaso constricts the vessels. So that will help you that will help you a lot of eye creams have caffeine in them, which vaso constricts that also helps to take away the the discoloration. Now, when it’s pigmented, that’s a different story. And that I really don’t have a good yeah, good solution for pigmented and again, you can get pigmented hyperpigmentation, from inflammation, chronic inflammation, okay, can give you or these lash serums that have these other products, these PGF, two alpha analogues in them can also cause the hyperpigmentation. And when you get the hyperpigmentation, there really isn’t a lot you can do.
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 32:23
Can we go back to the rollers, so the rollers are to help, you know with puffiness, your allergy symptoms, allergy.
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 32:32
Also, when you get engagement of the of the veins, it helps with that because it vaso constricts them. So your eyes look better, they look less. You know, when you have less of the dark circles underneath.
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 32:47
It’s helpful. But is the key that it needs to be in the fridge or the freezer before taking it out? Yeah, yeah, because I didn’t know that. So that’s a that’s a good point.
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 32:56
You want it to be cold. It’s not chemical. It’s not chemical. And again, there are some chemicals that will vaso constrict, I try to stay away from chemicals as much as possible and be natural. So that’s the other, you know, again, because you know, what are the long term effects, you know, do you know again, with other drugs, we know that you can get when you use a vasoconstrictor as a drug, we know that long term with some of them, you can get a rebound hyperemia rebound, inflammatory effects, you know, weakening of the vessel wall, and long term, the chemicals don’t work well. So I tried to use natural
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 33:39
so another another good point that you mentioned was about that. So a lot of patients who are coming in with red eyes, you know, are using drops like you know, vi zine or vaso constricting drops, which is causing this rebound redness so, you know, it’s better you see your eye doctor and you know, analyze whether it’s dry eyes, allergies, what’s causing the underlying issue or your makeup, the underlying redness? Before you know constantly using these vaso. constricting eyedrops. Yes,
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 34:11
absolutely, I mean, you you really should I doctors are your friends, and so many diseases and so many things can be diagnosed. I’ve got those brain tumors I’ve diagnosed at multiple sclerosis. I’ve diagnosed sarcoidosis, so many diseases can be diagnosed through an eye exam, and so many people don’t go, you know, and, again, we’re there to help. And it’s important and if you have a red eye, you don’t want to be treating that on your own. You may have blepharitis you may have an underlying dry eye. And a lot of times these things are just you know vasoconstrictors by Xen are will just mask the real problem and long term Have as you said, will cause damage to the to the vessel wall.
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 35:04
I have to ask you, what is your makeup routine or your skincare routine? Do on the spot.
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 35:11
I know. So, very simple. I am not coming at this from the side of a beauty person I’m coming as aside from a medical perspective. Right now, I’ve never been a big makeup where most doctors are not, you know, I’ve never been a big makeup wearer, so or anything with skin routine. So basically I prior to my now I use my line. Okay, my line, but prior to my law are
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 35:48
you using Sorry, do you mind touching on like, what are you using in your line?
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 35:53
Okay, so right now I have on my visionary eyeshadow sticks. So I love my sticks because they’re quick and easy. I mean, as I said, I don’t have a lot of time. So you can eat with my sticks. You can just use one or you can blend them. I have three on right now. Wow, I have rose colored glasses, love at first sight and at a glance and then I lined underneath with at a glance. I also have on Okay, so when another product that I made was my brown gels. I made my brow gels because at my age and I’m a lot older than you are, when I dye my hair, my eyebrows get gray much earlier, which is common in my age group because the dye of your hair lasts about a month. The dye on your brows only lasts about two weeks. Right? Okay. So I have I made my tinted brow gels. So I, my my my eyebrows at this point would be gray. But I’m using my tinted brow gels and it has a little bit of castor oil in it so that my brows are a little bit bushy. Okay, because of that, because of when also when you get older another thing that young women don’t realize you’re young but yeah, you look young. You’re now your brows done out. Then I have on my mascara. Okay, and I have on a lipstick right now very nice and and a little bit of a base. That’s it. I don’t have any Rouge Ah, you don’t have I don’t have a lot of makeup on. But I
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 37:26
and I think your line is mostly for that natural look, which I love. I think your line is more natural enhancing your natural beauty which which is amazing. So tell us where can our listeners viewers find your products. I
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 37:43
am distributed out of the I also wanted to do a new distribution model. So as a new distribution model is that I am being distributed out of I doctor’s offices. So I’m just muted out of 700 I doctor’s offices in the US and Canada. In addition to that, you can get the products on Amazon, or on our website, TryTwentyTwenty.com I’m not being sold in retail yet. So it’s direct-to-consumer on websites. Amazon or or website and web or through your eye doctor’s office.
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 38:26
Amazing. So I you know I would encourage everybody to give it a try. For the sake of their eye health and the the thinner skin around your eyes. From from to eye doctors. You know, we were definitely advocating it to help especially the preservatives. I think you hit the nail on the head that that’s a big one. So thank you for your time today. Dr. Hillel Campbell. I really appreciate it and appreciate you educating everybody.
Dr. Diane Hilal-Campo 38:53
Thank you so much for having me on. I so much appreciate it. And it’s been wonderful being here and it’s so nice to meet you.
Dr. Meenal Agarwal 39:00
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